It’s Broken: My Busted Pussy
Filed under: Heebie Jeebies - July 8, 2008 @ 6:00 amOne time I pushed a 7 lb. baby out of my vagina.
Not only that, but I took the typical American route of childbirth and went to the hospital, got an epidural, laid on my back, had an episiotomy (a surgical incision in the perineum made to enlarge the vagina and assist childbirth), and had my baby vacuumed out of me. (One thing I didn’t experience was a C-section.) If all this sounds whack to you, I highly recommend you read Misconceptions by Naomi Wolf and watch The Business of Being Born.
This was absolutely one of the hardest things I have done in my life. I have no idea how women do this more than once. It is one of the only times I have literally seen stars and fainted. The doctor stitched me up down there ala Frankenpussy.
After they took the urinary catheter out and my epidural wore off, I went to the bathroom. You know how you can stop and start the flow of urine? To my horror, the pee fell out of me. I had no control over it whatsoever. I wept. They gave me warm compresses to put on my traumatized pussy and told me not to have sex for six weeks.
Breastfeeding pretty much killed my sex drive, but we did have sex a month or two after I gave birth. And guess what? It hurt. The episiotomy scar was raw and intense. I kept waiting for my sex drive to return and for it to stop hurting during sex. Several times I thought I was broken forever, and that I’d never enjoy sex again like I did before. Dark times, people.
It took a year, but I finally fully healed and reclaimed my body (I breastfed for a year). I do my Kegel exercises and even have a vaginal barbell. The whole point of this post is to let all you new moms and dads know that there IS a light at the end of the tunnel. I’m not sure if childbirth has something to do with it or if it’s just me sexually evolving, but I’m more orgasmic and love fucking more than ever.
Just don’t get me pregnant, OK?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:05 am
More proof that if men were responsible for perpetuating our species we certainly wouldn’t have an overpopulation problem!
I promise never to get you pregnant, TBK.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Lovely Ladies,
Birth doesn’t have to be the typical induction, epidural, episiotomy US freak show, I swear.
I’ve experienced everything as far as birthing goes… as a consumer and as a birth professional. There is a better way.
*IF* you ever do get knocked up TBK (or Belle), I’ll come up and be your doula - all of you guys doula. That would be a first. Gay, lesbian, teenage mothers, I’ve all ready done. Triad would be a first.
PS I am so proud I didn’t get up on my birthin’ soapbox.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:10 am
I could ramble on and on for hours about what you experienced with the birth of your daughter. Too many women go through that and are traumatized and think that is the way that they have to birth. It aint so sister. You already know this if you are familiar with Naomi Wolfe. Go on to Henci Goer’s books. Suzanne Arms. Pam England. Ina May Garten.
I’ve run the gamut of birth experiences myself. From a YOUNG 1st timer who lucked out with a hospital based birth center birth, to an induction and coerced C/sect which mind fucked me for years to 2 lovely homebirths. I’ve also supported women through the same in birthing experiences as a doula. Birth doesn’t have to be scary. Have you read the Red Tent? That is the way birth should be … surrounded by loving women who support and hold you up as you are ready to give in. That help you realize you really ARE THAT STRONG. I was lucky enough to experience it myself.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Episiotomies should be outlawed. You know they were invented by men who couldn’t leave well enough alone. I’ve always used a midwife, a good one can massage you so you stretch out and don’t tear. Childbirth is hard work but it shouldn’t be traumatizing.
I gave birth six times but still had three emergency c-sections. I’m a little woman with narrow hips and grew big babies whose cords managed to get crushed. True I have a scar from the c-sections and numbness around the area but at least my pussy didn’t get sliced. Not a place I’d want to have lost feeling and scar tissue. The pee problem is usually a muscle control thing though, easy enough to remedy and one place on your body even the most exercise-hating person would enjoy working out. When the pelvic muscles are tightened up all is bliss!
Mother Earth, you are my kind of woman! Spiritual Midwifery was the first book I’d read about birthing babies many, many years ago!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 11:19 am
My girlfriend’s pussy got blown out like that too. She’s a small 100 pound girl, and i make BIG babies. I was 11 1/2 pounds and my daughter was nine pounds. When she tried to walk after the birth it was like she had been hit with an anti-aircraft missile between the legs ! ! ! ouch.
no epidural, just a minor dose of opiates. SINCE she didn’t get the epidural(which is the dumbest thing you can get), my daughter popped out in just 6 hours. Her pussy ripped a little, but it healed up.
TBK- I am proud of you for doing the whole year of breast feeding. Thats the same good treatment my girl got, too.
NEVER GET THE FUCKING EPIDURAL ! ! ! !
it shuts down everything below the waste, which is pretty retarded considering you are trying to birth a baby.
Usually the epidural births can take WAAAAAY too long, because it just stops the whole natural process, thats what happens when you inject Cocaine Hydrochloride directly into the spine.
Spiritual Widwifery ALL THE WAY ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
July 8th, 2008 at 11:25 am
i haven’t yet given birth… no kids for me quite yet. but god that sounds positively terrifying.
even with all of the advancements that we’ve made in terms of giving birth… i always imagined that i would get that thing c-sectioned out. i’ll take a scar over a ripped vag any day.
and i’m told that there is hope with the scar - if you’re “young and active” it fades a little.
and even with all of that said. still fucking terrified.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Lovely story to read with my morning coffee. Ouch…
July 8th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Isn’t it amazing the punishment our bodies can take and recover from?
I, too, had the whole epidural-episiotomy fiasco at my first birth. Sucked. Second birth - no help needed, thank you! She was a bigger baby than my first but thankfully everything seems to be in working order now.
And major props to you on the year of breastfeeding! I let my first daughter self-wean and my second daughter (age 2) is still nursing. Lucky for me that breastfeeding doesn’t seem to affect my sex drive.
To Lena - I bet that if you read some of the wonderful books about birth mentioned here, you’d no longer want to *choose* to have a C-section. C-sections are great when they’re medically indicated and needed but women’s bodies are made to give birth!
July 8th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Yeah lena, I’m not sure if it’s such a good idea to opt for c-section over vag birth, cuz I’ve heard when you give birth vaginally your body releases tons of hormones and love cocktails and facilitates mommy/baby bonding.
I had epidural and had to wait about 15 minutes to hold my baby after she was born, and I didn’t bond with her right away. I keep seeing natural childbirth videos where the baby comes right out and is put right in the mom’s arms, and it makes me wonder what studies are out there that explore the correlation between baby bonding and method of delivery, epidural vs no, and if any of that influences post partum depression…
That Business of Being Born talks about the vicious circle Lion hints at - you’re in labor and you get an epidural and it shuts things down, so then they give you petocin to intensify your contractions and that makes you itchy, so then they give you another drug to combat that and things stall and then they tell you the baby heart rate is slowing down so you need to get it vacuumed out or cut open to get it over with and of course you are at their mercy because “the baby is at risk.”
Oh and keep in mind that a c-section is major surgery.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Lena~ say no to the c-section, if the baby comes out your vagina, it’s over and you’re happy albeit tired. A c-section is just the beginning. The scar’s not just on your skin but all the way through your body. It’s not a pretty surgery and you’re too fucked up to enjoy the experience then and after cause if you think childbirth hurts wait till you recover from a c-section while trying to take care of an infant.
Rev~ Even though I agreed with everything you said I am scolding you!You meant stupid but you said ‘retarded’.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
i think part of the reason i’m so scared of vaginal birth is because i have a condition that makes it especially not-so-loose down there and every woman in my family has ripped terribly while giving birth.
i’m sure when the time actually comes, i’ll have read more about all of it and figured out what is best for the baby. ultimately… that’s what i’ll go with.
despite ripping.
and ouchies.
maybe i’ll even ask tbk to post it on her next broken week
July 8th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Chiavata - No, I use the word retarded in reference toretarded thinking, as in slow thinking. It is not meant as a reference to Mentally Retarded people. So what i should have said was, Getting an epidural is RETARDED THINKING. Meaning its a kind of ironic, backward thing to do when your goal is to get the baby out. And when you’ve come top terms with your decision, later, many wish they had made another choice.
I am one of those people who have faith in themselves to where what i say is between me and god. I have worked with and lived with disabled people much of my life.
So i hold them close to my heart.
I feel ya on People First Language…..
I AM TAKING BACK THE FULL USE OF WORD MEANINGS ! ! ! !
REVOLT AGAINST P.C. ! ! ! ! ! ! !
~~~~ RETARDED ~~~~~
v. tr.
To cause to move or proceed slowly; delay or impede.
v. intr.
To be delayed.
n.
A slowing down or hindering of progress; a delay.
Music A slackening of tempo.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Rev, Sigh… now you are making me see your view and I understand it, I really do. You are certainly intelligent. And damn you for making me like you! If only everyone used the word with it’s dictionary meaning. And please don’t think I have an obsession with being PC, I do not. Feel free to use whatever colorful language you choose, we live in a country where that is your right. You are using the word in its truest sense and I know that and appreciate it. It’s just a hurtful word to use because it usually refers to a person’s perceived brain capability. Even people with mental retardation use it to hurt others. They know it’s an insult. There are not a lot of people with your depth of understanding and its easy for those people to perpetuate the rudeness of it all. Please understand also that I’m an advocate for the rights of people with MR so I can’t stop myself from commenting!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
TBK, as is my job I will fight the common opinion.
Maternal deaths prior to the 20th Century: 1%
Maternal deaths in the United States today: .013%
For those less statistically minded that is 1 in a 100 versus 1.3 in 10,000.
Modern medicine and hospitals are doing something right even if it’s not perfect.
TOm
July 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
And the c-section rate is up to 26% when it should be somewhere around 6%. Better nutrition and overall health and antibiotics contribute to the lowering of the maternal death rate, not the increase of unnecessary c-sections!!!! And sadly I think your opinion is the common one!
July 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
and lets not forget the brilliant new idea of hand washing!! An edition of Williams Obstetrics has “misogyny” listed in the index with the pages noted from the first to the last.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
How I hate it when I’m wrong but it is the 15th edition and it lists “chauvanism” not mysogyny. Actually, “chauvanism, male, variable amounts, pgs 1-923″
July 8th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
It is medically impossible for me to give birth “the old fashioned way” and, unfortunately, no one figured that out until some 36 hours into a hellacious labor with my oldest. By the time the doctor said the word “c-section,” he might as well have been saying “free orgasms on demand” it was so utterly welcome.
I’ve had three in the last 17 years, and I’d gladly do it again. I’ve heard every horror story out there about c-sections, witnessed a few botched ones, and worked in the emergency medical field for over a decade where I had a hand in delivering nearly 20 babes into the world.
I’ll still take my c-sections.
Actually, the worst part of the entire experience for me was when I was pregnant with my second and happened to mention we had the c-section planned for such-and-such date. I had the misfortune of telling someone who was a die-hard natural-birth-nazi who INSISTED (without knowing bupkus about my medical history, my body, my health problems, etc.) that there was absolutely no reason for me to have a c-section “at my age” and how I was risking my life, my babe’s life, and the future happiness of my already-born because I was sure to die from being “sliced open by the butchers.”
Thank the Universe that psycho had no say-so in my childbirth experience - because with her method, FOR ME, her dire predictions of death would have come true.
I’m all about natural childbirth when appropriate and have enjoyed the hell out of coaching more than a few friends through the process (including one rather unexpectedly who decided to give birth on my sofa
). But c-sections have their place and time too, and if done right, done with care, done with thought, done with good after-care and done only when in the absolute best interests of the mother and child - they can be a hell of a lot LESS traumatic on both mother and child than the alternative.
My first was not done with planning, not by any means - but the natural method was killing him and me - and recovery from the trauma of that labor took a lot longer than recovery from the incision.
My site, by the way, is vertical not horizontal. More invasive, supposedly more traumatic, and generally only used in an emergency. All three were done through the same incision location because putting a “T” on my tummy would have potentially made a bigger mess of things LOL - personally I found them no more difficult than my tubal ligation (laproscopic) or the removal of my gall bladder (laproscopic). Actually, I hated the tubal and gall bladder more because they blew my abdomen up like a balloon and that gas was a fucking NIGHTMARE to get rid of. I was rocking like a fiend and begging for a fart and beginning to question if a nice long syringe through my side wouldn’t relieve some of the pressure. LMAO
Were I to reverse the effects of and tubal and menopause and decide to do it again (no thanks, there’s only grandbabies in my future!) I’d gladly go under the knife again - FOR MY BODY and MY BABIES it is a hell of a lot better/safer than the alternative.
I know no one here is saying c-sections have no place in childbirth, but there are a surprising number of psychos who feel that way. I had a hell of a lot more medical training and experience than the NB-nazi I encountered, so thankfully I could easily dismiss her rantings as being those of an obsessive mind with an agenda based on ignorance, but I hate to think how many other women could potentially fall victim to her or those like her.
OF COURSE natural is best whenever it is medically feasible and safe for mother and child. It’s a no-brainer. But the key to childbirth is always what is medically feasible and safe for mother and child - and that’s got to be decided on a case by case basis with all the facts in play and all the options examined.
With all that said, I’d love to see every pregnant woman with a doula/midwife/spiritual birthing professional of some sort. Someone other than just a person with an MD after their name helping them through the process, helping them consider all their options - someone whose only job is to look out for mom and babe 100% of the time and be their advocate when they need it. Why our system here in the US isn’t set up that way to begin with is beyond me - our infant (and MOTHER) mortality rates are disgusting.
Sorry about that, TBK - but I do also solemnly promise to never ever get you pregnant. And if I do somehow manage it, I promise to let you sleep through childbirth while I do all the hard work. I figure since the second part is just as plausible as the first, it’s a safe promise, right? ROFL
Now I’m off to see what sort of movement there is already in place to get a program set up nationally through which every pregnant woman in America has an opportunity to have her own spiritual birth professional, regardless of ability to pay/education level/economic status/geographical location/etc.
Because this little blog entry has light a fire for me. I remember how fucking scared I was that first time. As welcome as it was, given the circumstances, the pre-operative experience was scary as shit. Why wasn’t there someone there for me? How do we make sure there’s someone there for the next mom-to-be?
Yup, off to research. My bodybouncer and horny hubster are gonna have to wait a bit.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Holy god that was long.
Sorry everyone!
July 8th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
What amazes me is the need to lie when it is unnecessary. According to sources, that it took me 8 seconds to find, 15% is the rate of C-Sections recommended by the World Health Organizations. So, 6% was either made up, a lie, or based on a lie someone told you and you repeated because you were too lazy to look it up.
Your point however, is good. There are too many C-Sections in the US with the rate being about 30% (not 26% but close enough not to quibble) according to WHO. There are a variety of a factors in this including women who request the procedure.
My point was that when you have cancer, pneumonia, or a broken leg you go to modern, western medical facilities because they are superior, if imperfect.
Sapph, excellent points. What is best is a qualified doctor looking out for the interests of their patients. Don’t get me started on lawsuits, medical malpractice, and the overall negative effect on patient care they cause (I’ll still take Western medicine over chanting, vodoo, chiropractics, and god).
So, anyway, chiavata, go on being “sad” about my opinion. Add a few more exclamation points because, as is well known, the more you tack on the truer your statement must be.
Tom
July 8th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
When modern medicine practitioners decided to get involved in childbirth, the rate of deaths skyrocketed because they didn’t wash their filthy hands between handling cadavers and sticking their fingers in women’s vaginas when there were placental detachment wounds, and various other tears. Also, the doctors wanted to be able to see everything going on, so women went from natural childbirth positions to lying on their backs, which necessitated an ever-increasing number of invasive medical procedures.
Doctors and the medical industry have done much to harm to the realm of childbearing women, and continue to, as is evident by stories like TBK’s.
Childbirth is not an illness, and in the vast majority of cases, can and should be done with an absolute minimum of medical involvement. We did it for millennia before the invention of forceps, epidurals, and suction devices, and the further we go towards a new kind of natural (very educated and hygienic attendants, with the likes of scalpels and gas on hand for when they’re needed), the better.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
TOM - Anybody who is going to quote the WHO is already half asleep.
And now-a-days one can still have a natural child birth IN a modern health facility. My daughter was born in a hospital, birthed by a mid-wife…..
of course we were in california(the most open minded state in the union) we did all the new age weird stuff. they had a water birth room if we had wanted. They were down with anything and everything. BUT thats california. we need that LOVE in the rest of the country.
i agree with chiavata, only about 6-10 percent of the c-sections really need to happen. I READ, that america is at about 23% c-sections, NOT A WHO STATISTIC. and of these c-sections only half are emergency. so i’d say about 10% of them NEED to be done. and if we’d quit injecting cocaine into peoples spinal cords, we could probably lower the emergency c-section rate quite a bit as well.
If i could birth all the babies for you, ladies, i would take the pain for you….i love you ALL so dearly, nothing touches me like the painful experience of birth.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Too bad epidurals during childbirth are evil, because I’ve always wondered what it’s like to be paralyzed.
I do intend on having kid(s). After grad school.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Amen to Manj and Reverend-Lion(imagine an infinite amount of exclamation points here)
July 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
BELLE- OH WOW, you should totally find a doctor who can give you an epidural up higher in the spine so you can feel totally paralyzed for a day…how freaky ! ! ! ! ! kinda kinky, totally scary. then you can have someone play with you while you are paralyzed. thats DEEP ! ! ! ! ! !! !
July 9th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I used to date an anasthesiologist and one time I called him all stressed out and he said in a very soothing tone, “Do you want me to give you something that will put you to sleep?” My reaction = “whoah” {nervous laughter}.
I never took him up on his offer (didn’t even indulge my unconscious sex fantasy!) but maybe I can hit him up for Belle.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
You soooo should have gotten some Zanex from that dude!
July 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
it took me some time to digest this post and especially all the comments. i want to say that everyone is endearingly wonderful and equally as scary. why? i happen to be 8 weeks pregnant. reading all the wonderful and horrifying items together was a bit overwhelming. i have a feeling, like TBK, i will have a broken pussy after the event is all said and done. that doesn’t mean i regret getting pregnant at all. i appreciate all the viewpoints and personal touches everyone has offered.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Hi Reverend-Lion,
Please use all caps more because we know yelling has the exact same effect on truth as exclamation points.
You get mad at me because I use a source (WHO) and then you state,
“i agree with chiavata, only about 6-10 percent of the c-sections really need to happen”
Sources? Any? Just opinion? A bunch of my friends say the same thing so it must be true?
And, if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, I’m all for the simplest form of childbirth possible, but, guess what? Complications happen. I’m trying to figure out when I said natural childbirth was wrong. Read my posts. No, not skim them and assume because I’m not on your side that I’m of the opposite opinion. Read them. Then digest them. Then get back to me.
I would also suggest reading Sapph’s long post. I agree with all of the concepts presented therein.
Now, onto Manj:
You are being very misleading if not out and out lying. Yes, modern medical practices turned childbirth into a nightmare in maternity institution in the 1800s reaching upwards of 40%. But, my 1% figure was based on statistics on best guess estimates (source Lisa M. Koonin, M.N., M.P.H. Hani K. Atrash, M.D., M.P.H. Roger W. Rochat, M.D. Jack C. Smith, M.S. Maternal Mortality Surveillance, United States, 1980-1985 MMWR 12/1/1988; 37(SS-5):19-29. Otherwise known as Wikipedia) prior to that.
I stand by the numbers I originally espoused.
Enough from me,
Tom
July 10th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Uh, misleading or lying about what, exactly, Tom?
You need to start being smarter, I’m afraid. Right now everything you type just smacks of adolescent “I’m right”-ness and a faith in numbers and medicine that shows you up for your own naivety.
If YOU bothered to properly read what everybody else wrote, you big hypocrite, you’d see that everybody here including you, me and the dog agree that natural is best wherever humanly possible, and thank goodness for hygiene, and for medical interventions if they are unfortunately needed.
But, hey, no hard feelings. Now scram.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:02 am
“When modern medicine practitioners decided to get involved in childbirth, the rate of deaths skyrocketed because they didn’t wash their filthy hands between handling cadavers and sticking their fingers in women’s vaginas when there were placental detachment wounds, and various other tears”
I read the lies you wrote.
Tom
July 10th, 2008 at 8:22 am
It’s called history. I suggest you read up on it.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
TOM- what you don’t know is that i don’t need sources. i am god. Yes, I am the source. because smart people can equate their own truths from existing information. If every bit of information had to have a source, then we’d never have NEW information. now would we????
so genius level people can actually make their own reality around themselves. also known as quantum physics…….
dost thou needeth a source for that????
and in reference to what i was saying to you about natural childbirth and all that, was that you said you would take western medicine over voodoo, etc. what i was saying was that in california you CAN have the best of all worlds. meaning we could have used voodoo, AND the midwife, all the while having a state of the art medical staff on call.
Lets try to be friends Tom. Most of us here are continually trying to be friendly. Working through our tensions with each other. Not all of us are addicted to structure as if it were a god.
i think someone needs to take a deep breath . . . . . . . . .
~~~Feel the Love Tom……….it’s all around you ~~~~
July 10th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I am soooo glad that manj and Rev are here.
Homebirthing, midwife loveing, doula (who has had natural births, c/sections and homebirths),
Mariposa (aka Mother Earth in this post)
July 10th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Reverend-lion:
My original post:
“TBK, as is my job I will fight the common opinion.
Maternal deaths prior to the 20th Century: 1%
Maternal deaths in the United States today: .013%
For those less statistically minded that is 1 in a 100 versus 1.3 in 10,000.
Modern medicine and hospitals are doing something right even if it’s not perfect.”
Your reply:
“TOM - Anybody who is going to quote the WHO is already half asleep.”
Feel the love you say? I made a factual statement, insulted no one, and you replied with a personal attack. True or false?
Tom
July 10th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Yes, i do feel the love Tom, and i say again, ANYONE WHO QUOTES THE W.H.O. IS MOST LIKELY HALF ASLEEP, IF NOT COMPLETELY ASLEEP.
I like your method of switching the tables around, but i busted you. truth is, you are the one that basically called chiavata a lier. i simply stepped in and backed her up because you have no right to call her a lier. there is a big difference between lying, and projecting theoretical statistics.
so you actually insulted ME, because i don’t like seeing people called liers, in an unjust way.
2nd point- Your linear statistics mislead the reader into believing that natural, hospital-free births are not improving and evolving But hospital births are. The truth is in the last 30 years home birth, with doulas and mid wives has become VERY streamlined. These statistics for americans include reported homebirths. and the statistics you quoted mislead the reader into believing that the improvement made in the last 100 years was solely due to quality medical establishments. This is not true. Much of the improved process is due to mid-wives gaining massive experience day in and day out.
statistics need to be looked at in a very 4 dimensional way, and never to be accepted at face value, because there is always another layer the eye could not see, thus making the scientific process an ever changing/blooming flower.
So when i checked on some statistics of my own, i learned that as of 1970 homebirth was 7 times safer, per se, than hospital births. Meaning you were 7 times more likely to have a child die in the first day than at home. AND after 1970 it continues to get BETTER, not worse. and overall they found that you were NOT more likely to save your kid if it had a problem in the hospital versus at home. this is my source:
http://www.naturalchildbirth.org/natural/resources/homebirth/homebirth01.htm
and just so everyone knows, not much has changed since the 70’s as far as birthing and all that. except that the c-section is getting quite popular as a cosmetic type of birth, women can set the date they are having the child….people who plan their lives love that kind of shit.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
http://www.gentlebirth.org/ronnie/homesafe.html
according to above source, a study of 25,000 births, it says
“What is the relative safety of homebirth compared with hospital birth? Ole Olsen, a researcher from the University of Copenhagen, recently examined several studies of planned homebirth backed up by a modern hospital system compared with planned hospital birth. A total of nearly 25,000 births from five different countries were studied.
The results: There was no difference in survival rates between the babies born at home and those born in the hospital. However, there were several significant differences between the two groups. Fewer medical interventions occurred in the homebirth group. Fewer home-born babies were born in poor condition. The homebirth mothers were less likely to have suffered lacerations during birth. They were less likely to have had their labors induced or augmented by medications or to have had cesarean sections, forceps or vacuum extractor deliveries. As for maternal deaths, there were none in either group. ”
So as you see Tom, and everyone else too, there is zero advantage to hospital birth or western medicine, unless you like vaginal lacerations, vacuums, or like my daughter got, intubation. Barring of course those of us who MUST get hospital procedures done, in order to have a safe birth.
Now that your faulty line of logic has been disproven, Tom, i want you to go to your room and come back when you can be respectful. Remember, love can have 7 razor sharp fingers at times. Tom, i do love you, that is why i am trying so hard to chop down your pedestal…..the Alpha-male with the strongest pedestal WINS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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July 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Reverend-lion:
Does it bother you at all that in your first message you claim home births are seven times safer and then completely contradict yourself in your second?
“Zero advantage to hospital birth or western medicine”. Wow. I can’t argue with that.
Anyway, I find having a discussion with you to be without merit. You seem to be mean spirited, angry, and incapable of giving the same respect that you demand of others.
I will never reply to any of your messages again. Please do me the same courtesy.
Tom
July 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Cool, thats all i was asking for!
the first message i wrote was on a study in 1970, the second was in 1997.
And to correct my language, it was not actually 7 times more dangerous, but actually 7 times more likely to have something go wrong IF the baby had a difficulty coming out.
so in actuality it was saying that it was better to go with home birth in 1970.
the second study covered a much larger spread, making it much more accurate.
and it was 27 years later.
Tom- i turn into a warrior when i see people getting picked on…..this is why i seem angry and mean spirited. BECAUSE I AM !!!!!!
I’m also Kind, and warm hearted, its a thing called complexity.
(i also wanna correct my spelling of lier, to liar. 2 different words)
~~~ The Lion retreats back to the Den, the stalemate has made him hungry for blood ~~~
July 10th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Tom, i want to whole heartedly apologize for being mean in any way. My thirst for blood has clouded my vision.
i really do love you Tom…..
I’m Sorry…..